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		<title>Comment on Child sponsorship &#8211; thoughts as we prepare by napkinsforpirates</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/child-sponsorship-thoughts-as-we-prepare/#comment-29</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently sponsored a child through Children International. It was a great experience. I really love helping children in need. If you are interested in sponsoring a child in need, you should check out Children International&#039;s child sponsorship programs: http://www.children.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently sponsored a child through Children International. It was a great experience. I really love helping children in need. If you are interested in sponsoring a child in need, you should check out Children International&#8217;s child sponsorship programs: <a href="http://www.children.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.children.org</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on What is success in the Kingdom of God? by georgeanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s a great website to pass along...regarding sustainability and consumption..
www.storyofstuff.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s a great website to pass along&#8230;regarding sustainability and consumption..<br />
<a href="http://www.storyofstuff.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.storyofstuff.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on What is success in the Kingdom of God? by Jennifer Epps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Epps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is success in the kingdom of God? Shalom, right? -- as in everything is as God intends it to be. From what I have observed, there&#039;s little disagreement among the truly faithful about what success is: transformed lives reconciled to God so that one lives the life s/he was created to live. And, if everyone really did that we&#039;d have shalom, I guess. The disagreements start when one group claims to have the corner on HOW to bring change about in people&#039;s lives. I think at the beginning of any movement (from the Willow Creek model right down to The Simple Way), intentions are pure and good. But, ideas and methods get perverted quickly, and in the end we end up criticizing each other&#039;s attempts rather than helping each other coarse correct. The practical reality is: there is no formula and everyone will take their own path to entering the Kingdom. And organizationally, we are uncomfortable ministering alongside or to someone who doesn&#039;t see the path our way. It&#039;s hard. And, I think that&#039;s why Jesus pointed to love and unity as the qualities that would be the church&#039;s witness to the world. If love and unity were easy, they wouldn&#039;t be so powerful. So, clearly, we can&#039;t do any of this without God. All this to say, I struggle with the idea of metrics when relating to &quot;The Kingdom.&quot; It sets us up to take credit for something God does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is success in the kingdom of God? Shalom, right? &#8212; as in everything is as God intends it to be. From what I have observed, there&#8217;s little disagreement among the truly faithful about what success is: transformed lives reconciled to God so that one lives the life s/he was created to live. And, if everyone really did that we&#8217;d have shalom, I guess. The disagreements start when one group claims to have the corner on HOW to bring change about in people&#8217;s lives. I think at the beginning of any movement (from the Willow Creek model right down to The Simple Way), intentions are pure and good. But, ideas and methods get perverted quickly, and in the end we end up criticizing each other&#8217;s attempts rather than helping each other coarse correct. The practical reality is: there is no formula and everyone will take their own path to entering the Kingdom. And organizationally, we are uncomfortable ministering alongside or to someone who doesn&#8217;t see the path our way. It&#8217;s hard. And, I think that&#8217;s why Jesus pointed to love and unity as the qualities that would be the church&#8217;s witness to the world. If love and unity were easy, they wouldn&#8217;t be so powerful. So, clearly, we can&#8217;t do any of this without God. All this to say, I struggle with the idea of metrics when relating to &#8220;The Kingdom.&#8221; It sets us up to take credit for something God does.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sustainable living on 0.1 acre by chris snyder</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/sustainable-living-on-01-acres/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>chris snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great questions, &quot;what could we do?&quot;, we could all do great things with what we already have. we (myself included) forget that God had already given us so much. the thing we need to rememer from Christ&#039;s message is to use what has been given us to love our neighbor as ourselves. leading sustainable lives woulddo so much for ourselves, our neighbors, our planet, and all at the same time glorify God by following his teachings. I&#039;m gonna try....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great questions, &#8220;what could we do?&#8221;, we could all do great things with what we already have. we (myself included) forget that God had already given us so much. the thing we need to rememer from Christ&#8217;s message is to use what has been given us to love our neighbor as ourselves. leading sustainable lives woulddo so much for ourselves, our neighbors, our planet, and all at the same time glorify God by following his teachings. I&#8217;m gonna try&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on $467 and counting by Bob K.</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/467-and-counting/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it interesting that on the very next day, our pastor includes in his sermon a atatement that when God asks us to do something, and we say yes... He provides... He helps us do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting that on the very next day, our pastor includes in his sermon a atatement that when God asks us to do something, and we say yes&#8230; He provides&#8230; He helps us do it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The New Evangelicals &#8211; NYT by Dave Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/the-new-evangelicals-nyt/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

I appreciated the article. My only concern is with the whole label thing.  Whether the label be &quot;evangelical,&quot; &quot;religous right,&quot; &quot;emergent,&quot; or &quot;young evangelicals.&quot; I understand on one hand that classifications may help us clarify our thinking, but on the other they seem to cause confusion. I haven&#039;t found one label that doesn&#039;t carry some sort of baggage with it and creates misunderstandings.  Thanks for your blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I appreciated the article. My only concern is with the whole label thing.  Whether the label be &#8220;evangelical,&#8221; &#8220;religous right,&#8221; &#8220;emergent,&#8221; or &#8220;young evangelicals.&#8221; I understand on one hand that classifications may help us clarify our thinking, but on the other they seem to cause confusion. I haven&#8217;t found one label that doesn&#8217;t carry some sort of baggage with it and creates misunderstandings.  Thanks for your blogs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Giving is&#8230;. by Bob K.</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/giving-is/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are members of a denomination in which every church has one Sunday a year labelled &quot;Faith Promise&quot; Sunday.  It&#039;s all about giving for missions.  I&#039;ve heard some very inspirational missionaries speak on &quot;Faith Promise&quot; Sunday, giving me very good reasons to give generously for missions.  Wwhat I haven&#039;t heard in recent years is the emphasis on the &quot;Faith&quot; part of &quot;Faith Promise.&quot;  In years gone by, it was clearly explained as giving above and beyond one&#039;s tithe.  It was to make a promise that you would give, not knowing how you could &quot;afford&quot; it.  It was to be a promise made on the faith that if you trust Him, God will provide.  Perhaps his provision would be in the form of unexpected income.  Perhaps it would be in the form of the realization that one could delay the purchase of a new car another year or two (lifestyle interruption) and send the car payment money to the Sudan.

So, without intending to criticize any pastor for what they do or don&#039;t say about &quot;Faith Promise,&quot; I&#039;ll challenge myself, and anyone else who might be intereste, to give based on faith, not just for missions, but in every area of stewardship in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are members of a denomination in which every church has one Sunday a year labelled &#8220;Faith Promise&#8221; Sunday.  It&#8217;s all about giving for missions.  I&#8217;ve heard some very inspirational missionaries speak on &#8220;Faith Promise&#8221; Sunday, giving me very good reasons to give generously for missions.  Wwhat I haven&#8217;t heard in recent years is the emphasis on the &#8220;Faith&#8221; part of &#8220;Faith Promise.&#8221;  In years gone by, it was clearly explained as giving above and beyond one&#8217;s tithe.  It was to make a promise that you would give, not knowing how you could &#8220;afford&#8221; it.  It was to be a promise made on the faith that if you trust Him, God will provide.  Perhaps his provision would be in the form of unexpected income.  Perhaps it would be in the form of the realization that one could delay the purchase of a new car another year or two (lifestyle interruption) and send the car payment money to the Sudan.</p>
<p>So, without intending to criticize any pastor for what they do or don&#8217;t say about &#8220;Faith Promise,&#8221; I&#8217;ll challenge myself, and anyone else who might be intereste, to give based on faith, not just for missions, but in every area of stewardship in my life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Giving is&#8230;. by Jennifer Epps</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/giving-is/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Epps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once heard a sermon by Chris Seay where he used an illustration where he was a father of grown children. An old acquaintance asked him how his kids were doing and he responded something like: my oldest son became a doctor with his own practice and enjoys his family and a comfortable life in the suburbs; my daughter is a missionary in Haiti, but is sick often because she has no clean drinking water and cannot afford the $1 per day for bottled water; my youngest son lives in the Sudan where his life is threatened regularly and knows that if he could just save $100 he could flee and start a business that would support himself and his community. Anyway, you get the point. He was illustrating how he believes God looks down on us - his children. How can the doctor brother allow his younger brother and sister suffer when he has so much? If we really did put the value (or more) in our spiritual sibling relationships as we do in our biological/familial ones, the world would look different.

So, ever since I heard that story, I&#039;ve struggled with knowing how much &quot;jeopardy&quot; to put my children in so that I can make someone else&#039;s life a bit better. And, what even qualifies as &quot;jeopardy?&quot; I don&#039;t know. My process has been to question the Holy Spirit and lean on his guidance for individual decisions. This process has led us to putting ourselves on the hook  financially much more than is always comfortable and has led us to be much more inter-dependent with those we&#039;re on the hook with. For now, that&#039;s the lesson God has for me: have enough anxiety to need Me for your peace, and need the people who need you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once heard a sermon by Chris Seay where he used an illustration where he was a father of grown children. An old acquaintance asked him how his kids were doing and he responded something like: my oldest son became a doctor with his own practice and enjoys his family and a comfortable life in the suburbs; my daughter is a missionary in Haiti, but is sick often because she has no clean drinking water and cannot afford the $1 per day for bottled water; my youngest son lives in the Sudan where his life is threatened regularly and knows that if he could just save $100 he could flee and start a business that would support himself and his community. Anyway, you get the point. He was illustrating how he believes God looks down on us &#8211; his children. How can the doctor brother allow his younger brother and sister suffer when he has so much? If we really did put the value (or more) in our spiritual sibling relationships as we do in our biological/familial ones, the world would look different.</p>
<p>So, ever since I heard that story, I&#8217;ve struggled with knowing how much &#8220;jeopardy&#8221; to put my children in so that I can make someone else&#8217;s life a bit better. And, what even qualifies as &#8220;jeopardy?&#8221; I don&#8217;t know. My process has been to question the Holy Spirit and lean on his guidance for individual decisions. This process has led us to putting ourselves on the hook  financially much more than is always comfortable and has led us to be much more inter-dependent with those we&#8217;re on the hook with. For now, that&#8217;s the lesson God has for me: have enough anxiety to need Me for your peace, and need the people who need you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theology matters by Jennifer Epps</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/theology-matters/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Epps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

Thanks for the recommendation. I enjoy having my thinking challenged. And just by the title of Boyd&#039;s book, I think I will be plenty challenged by this man. 

I haven&#039;t heard Mark Driscoll rip into Rob Bell or Brian McLaren (2 guys I also enjoy), but would imagine he&#039;d have a hard time with their Open Theism.... which brings me to the point of this post. Does it matter if one leans toward the belief that God lives within time with us and that he reacts to our free-will choices to manage the world (as an open theist would think)? Or does it matter if one leans toward the belief that God, who is too big and other-worldly for time, already knows the number and content of all of our days yet does not control them? I guess the quote you started this thread with would suggest &quot;yes,&quot; it does matter. But seeing how each point of view is somehow able to use scripture to support itself, I wonder if we&#039;re not SUPPOSED to differ on these issues within the confines of the Bible. By differing, we balance one another -- making sure we never turn into the Tower of Babel people who agreed to the point of perversion -- and we prove that love has power because it&#039;s hard to do. I wonder if God is so big that he actually embodies and IS the contradictions that we use to define: pascifist/just war supporter, communal living socialist/ambitious individual, America appreciater/anti-empirialist, traditionalist/emergent post-modern, etc. I don&#039;t know, but I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Thanks for the recommendation. I enjoy having my thinking challenged. And just by the title of Boyd&#8217;s book, I think I will be plenty challenged by this man. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard Mark Driscoll rip into Rob Bell or Brian McLaren (2 guys I also enjoy), but would imagine he&#8217;d have a hard time with their Open Theism&#8230;. which brings me to the point of this post. Does it matter if one leans toward the belief that God lives within time with us and that he reacts to our free-will choices to manage the world (as an open theist would think)? Or does it matter if one leans toward the belief that God, who is too big and other-worldly for time, already knows the number and content of all of our days yet does not control them? I guess the quote you started this thread with would suggest &#8220;yes,&#8221; it does matter. But seeing how each point of view is somehow able to use scripture to support itself, I wonder if we&#8217;re not SUPPOSED to differ on these issues within the confines of the Bible. By differing, we balance one another &#8212; making sure we never turn into the Tower of Babel people who agreed to the point of perversion &#8212; and we prove that love has power because it&#8217;s hard to do. I wonder if God is so big that he actually embodies and IS the contradictions that we use to define: pascifist/just war supporter, communal living socialist/ambitious individual, America appreciater/anti-empirialist, traditionalist/emergent post-modern, etc. I don&#8217;t know, but I wonder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theology matters by Bill Kerwin</title>
		<link>http://bethechurch.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/theology-matters/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 01:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jen.  I started listening to Matt Chandler on your recommendation; I&#039;m working my way through his series on Luke, and really like what he has to say.  I listen to Mark Driscoll (the &#039;cussing pastor&#039; as Donald Miller called him in Blue Like Jazz).  Have a harder time with him, as I have listened to one of his talks where he ripped into Rob Bell and Brian McLaren.  But I think it is good for me to listen to someone I don&#039;t always agree with.  It&#039;s easy enough to fill my mind with what my itching ears want to hear.  But I want to hear what God wants to say to me, especially where he wants me to rethink, to reconsider, to truly wrestle with my faith and my theology.  It&#039;s usually in those times when I want to chuck a book across the room because I am upset with what I am reading, that I look back and recognize the most powerful moments of learning in my life.

So I have one teacher to commend to you: Greg Boyd of Woodland Hills church (http://www.whchurch.org/), the author of The Myth of a Christian Nation.  Be forewarned, he will challenge much of your standard American, western, comfortable evangelicalism.  But he is a prophetic voice of truth in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jen.  I started listening to Matt Chandler on your recommendation; I&#8217;m working my way through his series on Luke, and really like what he has to say.  I listen to Mark Driscoll (the &#8216;cussing pastor&#8217; as Donald Miller called him in Blue Like Jazz).  Have a harder time with him, as I have listened to one of his talks where he ripped into Rob Bell and Brian McLaren.  But I think it is good for me to listen to someone I don&#8217;t always agree with.  It&#8217;s easy enough to fill my mind with what my itching ears want to hear.  But I want to hear what God wants to say to me, especially where he wants me to rethink, to reconsider, to truly wrestle with my faith and my theology.  It&#8217;s usually in those times when I want to chuck a book across the room because I am upset with what I am reading, that I look back and recognize the most powerful moments of learning in my life.</p>
<p>So I have one teacher to commend to you: Greg Boyd of Woodland Hills church (<a href="http://www.whchurch.org/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.whchurch.org/)</a>, the author of The Myth of a Christian Nation.  Be forewarned, he will challenge much of your standard American, western, comfortable evangelicalism.  But he is a prophetic voice of truth in my life.</p>
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